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[R] Robert Jordan [message #258236] Di, 18 April 2006 15:45
Mal Franks  
He's going through treatment for amyloidosis and in a post at the end of=20
last month to his blog he said

"Mainly I?ll be setting myself up to laugh as much as possible, though,=20
so I have a large number of Terry Pratchett novels, plus Donald Westlake=20
(with apologies to Terry, the funniest man currently writing in the=20
English language)"

http://www.dragonmount.com/RobertJordan/?p=3D39
Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258472 ] Do, 20 April 2006 00:33
Aggie  
"Mal Franks" <spampit [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1eaefdd93e1f5b199896b8 [at] news.individual.net...
He's going through treatment for amyloidosis and in a post at the end of
last month to his blog he said

"Mainly I?ll be setting myself up to laugh as much as possible, though,
so I have a large number of Terry Pratchett novels, plus Donald Westlake
(with apologies to Terry, the funniest man currently writing in the
English language)"

http://www.dragonmount.com/RobertJordan/?p=39

I wish him the best, but he needs to finish Wheel of Time dangit! He has
kept us reading for years now. That series needs a conclusion.

Aggie
Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258580 ] Do, 20 April 2006 13:15
Diane L  
Aggie wrote:
> "Mal Franks" <spampit [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1eaefdd93e1f5b199896b8 [at] news.individual.net...
> He's going through treatment for amyloidosis and in a post at the end
> of last month to his blog he said
>
> "Mainly I?ll be setting myself up to laugh as much as possible,
> though, so I have a large number of Terry Pratchett novels, plus
> Donald Westlake (with apologies to Terry, the funniest man currently
> writing in the English language)"
>
> http://www.dragonmount.com/RobertJordan/?p=39
>
> I wish him the best, but he needs to finish Wheel of Time dangit! He
> has kept us reading for years now. That series needs a conclusion.

I wish him the best too, but having struggled through four and a half
books of the WOT saga [1] my conclusion was that I had better things
to do with my time than read about characters I didn't much care about
doing things I wasn't much interested in very, v-e-r-y slowly.

[1] No, that's not fair, I only really struggled through two and a half
books , I enjoyed the first two.

Diane L.
Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258652 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 00:21
Aggie  
"Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
news:4ap8qtFtulbuU1 [at] individual.net...
> Aggie wrote:
>> "Mal Franks" <spampit [at] btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1eaefdd93e1f5b199896b8 [at] news.individual.net...
>> He's going through treatment for amyloidosis and in a post at the end
>> of last month to his blog he said
>>
>> "Mainly I?ll be setting myself up to laugh as much as possible,
>> though, so I have a large number of Terry Pratchett novels, plus
>> Donald Westlake (with apologies to Terry, the funniest man currently
>> writing in the English language)"
>>
>> http://www.dragonmount.com/RobertJordan/?p=39
>>
>> I wish him the best, but he needs to finish Wheel of Time dangit! He
>> has kept us reading for years now. That series needs a conclusion.
>
> I wish him the best too, but having struggled through four and a half
> books of the WOT saga [1] my conclusion was that I had better things
> to do with my time than read about characters I didn't much care about
> doing things I wasn't much interested in very, v-e-r-y slowly.
>
> [1] No, that's not fair, I only really struggled through two and a half
> books , I enjoyed the first two.
>
> Diane L.

:D

I read through six before I started getting po'd mainly because it was
getting so long between novels. How in the hell was I supposed to remember
events in a book I'd read two years prior? I can't remember breakfast half
the time. I sort of planned to put the books aside till the end of the
series, then read them one right after the other after he'd finished writing
them.[1] Here it is ten years later and he still won't wrap it up. I
understand some of his former fans hate his guts these days if any of the
Amazon.com reviews on his last book are any judge. At this rate, one of us
will be dead before the series ends.

[1]It is very hard to read a book before he's finished writing it.

A.D.D. Aggie
Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258660 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 01:07
Pudde Fjord  
Aggie wrote:

>
> I read through six before I started getting po'd mainly because it was
> getting so long between novels.

At least he comes with a new book once in a while. I remember when I
waited for a new Douglas Adams book for years, then he wound up writing
a short story and bundling it with the books I already had...

> At this rate, one of us
> will be dead before the series ends.

If it's RJ, the series will probably never end.

On the other hand, interminable series is getting to be a common
complaint with many writers, either because it's easier to get started
on longer stories, where the end is three or more books away from the
start, or because the writer is too busy to build his world to consider
wrapping up the story.

Fortunately a few series is getting finished soon, which means I can
start reading them.

Unfortunately, I started reading RJs books before he was half-way , and
so I'll re-read at least a few before getting the paperback of his
latest this summer.

That he has had problems with his health some years, is unfortunate, but
not something that can easily be remedied. That the story still has some
way to go to reach the end can't be fixed easily, even if the writer (in
my opinion) has let too many loose ends lie a bit too long. To squeeze
it all into one final book would feel like cheating, so I prefer to just
read the books when I can.

Not every author can produce on book a year, let alone two or more like
Pterry and Piers Anthony can.

Pudde.
Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258815 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 18:43
Mixu Lauronen  
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:21:09 +0300, Aggie
<aggieangst [at] ymynospaceway.invalid> wrote:

> I read through six before I started getting po'd mainly because it was
> getting so long between novels. How in the hell was I supposed to
> remember events in a book I'd read two years prior?
Err... I don't know about you, but here in Finland books are reusable: you
can read them again, even only partly. That usually helps for plot amnesia.
Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258877 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 01:51
rich hammett  
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Mixu Lauronen:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:21:09 +0300, Aggie
> <aggieangst [at] ymynospaceway.invalid> wrote:

>> I read through six before I started getting po'd mainly because it was
>> getting so long between novels. How in the hell was I supposed to
>> remember events in a book I'd read two years prior?
> Err... I don't know about you, but here in Finland books are reusable: you
> can read them again, even only partly. That usually helps for plot amnesia.

Here in the US, that's illegal. We're required to buy a new
book every time we want to read it. Part of the "Ensuring
Commerce Act To Repel Terrorists (2005)".

Seriously, though, I'm a very quick reader. Even with two
small children I can usually make it through a Pratchett
(in English or suomeksi) in a few days. But Jordan's
megaliths are just too immense to re-read, for what I
get out of them.

rich
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258934 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 14:29
carol  
Aggie <aggieangst [at] ymynospaceway.invalid> wrote:


> I wish him the best, but he needs to finish Wheel of Time dangit! He has
> kept us reading for years now.

Not me, he hasn't - I gave up around three chapters into book three when
I realised that the characters were all annoying and/or idiots and I
didn't give a hoot if they all got eaten by the Ravenous Bugblatter
Beast of Traal. Nynaeve would probably give it indigestion though.
--
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258935 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 14:29
Mixu Lauronen  
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:51:31 +0300, rich hammett
<bubbarichau [at] warmmail.com> wrote:

> Seriously, though, I'm a very quick reader. Even with two
> small children I can usually make it through a Pratchett
> (in English or suomeksi) in a few days.

Ooo, finally there's someone here understading a civilized language.
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258936 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 14:32
Mixu Lauronen  
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:29:25 +0300, Carol Hague <carol [at] wrhpv.com> wrote:

> Not me, he hasn't - I gave up around three chapters into book three when
> I realised that the characters were all annoying and/or idiots and I
> didn't give a hoot if they all got eaten by the Ravenous Bugblatter
> Beast of Traal.

Does that mean that Jordan is trying to make it easier for his readers to
symphatize with the characters? ;P
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258938 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 14:51
Graycat  
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:32:00 +0300, "Mixu Lauronen"
<mixu.lauronen [at] kolumbus.fi> jotted down:

>On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:29:25 +0300, Carol Hague <carol [at] wrhpv.com> wrote:
>
>> Not me, he hasn't - I gave up around three chapters into book three when
>> I realised that the characters were all annoying and/or idiots and I
>> didn't give a hoot if they all got eaten by the Ravenous Bugblatter
>> Beast of Traal.
>
>Does that mean that Jordan is trying to make it easier for his readers to
>symphatize with the characters? ;P

By making sure the characters are all teens at their most
annoying? Possibly. I hadn't thought of that, but it
actually makes sense...

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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258939 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 14:59
Jens Ayton  
Graycat:
> Mixu Lauronen:
>>
>> Does that mean that Jordan is trying to make it easier for his readers to
>> symphatize with the characters? ;P
>
> By making sure the characters are all teens at their most
> annoying? Possibly. I hadn't thought of that, but it
> actually makes sense...

Looking at it that way, my sympathy for his villains has definitely risen.


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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258987 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 23:21
Thomas Zahr  
Mixu Lauronen posted:

> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:51:31 +0300, rich hammett
> <bubbarichau [at] warmmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Seriously, though, I'm a very quick reader. Even with two
>> small children I can usually make it through a Pratchett
>> (in English or suomeksi) in a few days.
>
> Ooo, finally there's someone here understading a civilized
> language.

Isn't it hard to understate a Finnish?

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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #258998 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 23:58
Hendrik Schober  
Thomas Zahr <ThomasZahr0604 [at] geekmail.de> wrote:
> Mixu Lauronen posted:
>
> > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:51:31 +0300, rich hammett
> > <bubbarichau [at] warmmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Seriously, though, I'm a very quick reader. Even with two
> > > small children I can usually make it through a Pratchett
> > > (in English or suomeksi) in a few days.
> >
> > Ooo, finally there's someone here understading a civilized
> > language.
>
> Isn't it hard to understate a Finnish?

Näää.

Schobi

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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259002 ] So, 23 April 2006 01:20
Mixu Lauronen  
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:21:56 +0300, Thomas Zahr
<ThomasZahr0604 [at] geekmail.de> wrote:

> Isn't it hard to understate a Finnish?
>
No. I understand it better than any other language. :) It is really quite
simple and logical.
I will give you an example: autottaankinkohan.

This word can be split like this: auto|tta|an|kin|ko|han.

The base is "auto" which means "car" (from "automobiili" - "automobile").
Then there's "-tta", which means without something. Then comes "-an",
meaning his or her (there's no distinction between gender/sex in Finnish).
Then there's "kin" - also.
Next one is "-ko", meaning a question. Last bit is "-han", which means
doubt or uncertainty.

Thus, autottaankinkohan hän tulee? means something like:
"I wonder if he/she is coming also without his/her car?"
So - which language is harder?
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259044 ] So, 23 April 2006 08:19
rich hammett  
Minä suojelen sinua kaikelta, mitä ikinä keksitkin sanoa, Mixu Lauronen:
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:21:56 +0300, Thomas Zahr
> <ThomasZahr0604 [at] geekmail.de> wrote:

>> Isn't it hard to understate a Finnish?
>>
> No. I understand it better than any other language. :) It is really quite
> simple and logical.
> I will give you an example: autottaankinkohan.

> This word can be split like this: auto|tta|an|kin|ko|han.

> The base is "auto" which means "car" (from "automobiili" - "automobile").
> Then there's "-tta", which means without something. Then comes "-an",
> meaning his or her (there's no distinction between gender/sex in Finnish).
> Then there's "kin" - also.
> Next one is "-ko", meaning a question. Last bit is "-han", which means
> doubt or uncertainty.

> Thus, autottaankinkohan hän tulee? means something like:
> "I wonder if he/she is coming also without his/her car?"
> So - which language is harder?

One of my favorite Finnish wordsÖ

hääyöaie

For those who don't know Finnish, those are all vowels after
the "h". It's a compound of three words. Not a common word,
either. :)

rich
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259048 ] So, 23 April 2006 10:23
Mixu Lauronen  
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:59 +0300, rich hammett
<bubbarichau [at] warmmail.com> wrote:
> One of my favorite Finnish words
> hääyöaie
> For those who don't know Finnish, those are all vowels after
> the "h". It's a compound of three words. Not a common word,
> either. :)
>
It means "meaning of having a wedding night".
Actually, you can make it longer into ten vowels in a row:
hääyöaieoie, a compound of four words, which means "a correction about
meaning of having a wedding night". Not one of the most common words,
either. :)

If Jordan wrote in Finnish, his books would be much, much thinner.

Ooo, I love this language. The ugliest word would have to be
RÄÄKKÄÄJÄLÄÄKÄRI (ä is pronounced like "a" in "have"), which means a
torturing doctor. The word looks ugly, sounds ugly, and has an ugly
meaning. Well, it could also be RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry
soldier. Or even RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRILÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry soldier
doctor... you get the idea.
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259076 ] So, 23 April 2006 15:05
Arthur Hagen  
Mixu Lauronen <mixu.lauronen [at] kolumbus.fi> wrote:
>
> Ooo, I love this language. The ugliest word would have to be
> RÄÄKKÄÄJÄLÄÄKÄRI (ä is pronounced like "a" in "have"), which means a
> torturing doctor. The word looks ugly, sounds ugly, and has an ugly
> meaning. Well, it could also be RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry
> soldier. Or even RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRILÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry soldier
> doctor... you get the idea.

And people wonder why Finns drink so much?

Regards,
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259093 ] So, 23 April 2006 16:56
Mixu Lauronen  
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:05:04 +0300, Arthur Hagen <art [at] broomstick.com>
wrote:

> And people wonder why Finns drink so much?
>
No, it is the climate. The Russians and Eskimos also drink much.
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259103 ] So, 23 April 2006 17:47
Lesley Weston  
in article op.s8gb8wic1ywhtc [at] a81-197-166-197.elisa-laajakaista.fi, Mixu
Lauronen at mixu.lauronen [at] kolumbus.fi wrote on 23/04/2006 1:23 AM:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:59 +0300, rich hammett
> <bubbarichau [at] warmmail.com> wrote:
>> One of my favorite Finnish words
>> hääyöaie
>> For those who don't know Finnish, those are all vowels after
>> the "h". It's a compound of three words. Not a common word,
>> either. :)
>>
> It means "meaning of having a wedding night".
> Actually, you can make it longer into ten vowels in a row:
> hääyöaieoie, a compound of four words, which means "a correction about
> meaning of having a wedding night". Not one of the most common words,
> either. :)
>
> If Jordan wrote in Finnish, his books would be much, much thinner.
>
> Ooo, I love this language. The ugliest word would have to be
> RÄÄKKÄÄJÄLÄÄKÄRI (ä is pronounced like "a" in "have"), which means a
> torturing doctor. The word looks ugly, sounds ugly, and has an ugly
> meaning. Well, it could also be RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry
> soldier. Or even RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRILÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry soldier
> doctor... you get the idea.

All the Finns I know here and elsewhere speak excellent English. Now I know
why.

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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259106 ] So, 23 April 2006 18:08
Thomas Zahr  
Mixu Lauronen posted:

....

> So - which language is harder?

Both, Koelsch is the one true language ;-)

And it is the only language you can drink as well!

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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259113 ] So, 23 April 2006 20:12
Arthur Hagen  
Thomas Zahr <ThomasZahr0604 [at] geekmail.de> wrote:
> Mixu Lauronen posted:
>
> ...
>
>> So - which language is harder?
>
> Both, Koelsch is the one true language ;-)
>
> And it is the only language you can drink as well!

There's Sake (spoken in Gabon). And not to forget "Gammel Dansk" (Old
Danish), one of the better bitters.

(The One True language is, of course, C)

Regards,
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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259164 ] So, 23 April 2006 22:33
Hendrik Schober  
Arthur Hagen <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote:
> Mixu Lauronen <mixu.lauronen [at] kolumbus.fi> wrote:
> >
> > Ooo, I love this language. The ugliest word would have to be
> > RÄÄKKÄÄJÄLÄÄKÄRI (ä is pronounced like "a" in "have"), which means a
> > torturing doctor. The word looks ugly, sounds ugly, and has an ugly
> > meaning. Well, it could also be RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry
> > soldier. Or even RÄÄKKÄÄJÄJÄÄKÄRILÄÄKÄRI, a torturing infantry soldier
> > doctor... you get the idea.
>
> And people wonder why Finns drink so much?

Nonono. Not the drinking is a result of the
language. It's the other way around! <g>

Schobi

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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259250 ] Mo, 24 April 2006 08:54
janica.hindle  
Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:59:21 GMT - there
was this guy, or something, called Jens Ayton
<XUBJGQWVKDKR [at] spammotel.com>, and they made us all feel better by
saying the following stuff:

>>> Does that mean that Jordan is trying to make it easier for his readers to
>>> symphatize with the characters? ;P
>>
>> By making sure the characters are all teens at their most
>> annoying? Possibly. I hadn't thought of that, but it
>> actually makes sense...
>
> Looking at it that way, my sympathy for his villains has definitely risen.

Unfortunately, his villains are equally annoying, and arguably even
more stupid.




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Re: [R] Robert Jordan [message #259947 ] Mi, 26 April 2006 08:25
Mixu Lauronen  
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:54:31 +0300, Chucky & Janica
<janica.hindle [at] kolumbus.finland> wrote:

>> Looking at it that way, my sympathy for his villains has definitely
>> risen.
>
> Unfortunately, his villains are equally annoying, and arguably even
> more stupid.
>
That's because not all the readers want to symphatize with the heroes.
Some like the villains. And if the villains were smarter than the heroes
(which shouldn't be too difficult), they would win.

OTOH, considering the guud guys, it might not be a bad option.
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